Interesting development in the Gibson v. Dean case…

[cmatthes]

[bruce919]

do I need to say it? 

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2024 by bruce919

[BTMN]

[JGale]

I like the rounded over ends of the V. Makes it appear friendly, less likely to gnaw your flesh.

[BTMN]

I think there’s room for both companies to make the disputed guitars. There some misidentification by a beginning player but a majority of players know the difference between the brands. Gibber never really lost sales. If you want a real Flying V you get one. Only my soap box opinion. 😎👍🏁

Edited July 9, 2024 by BTMN

[Jimbilly]

1 hour ago, JGale said:

I like the rounded over ends of the V. Makes it appear friendly, less likely to gnaw your flesh.

much safer to run with too

[RobB]

34 minutes ago, BTMN said:

Gibber never really lost sales. If you want a real Flying V you get one. 

“Gibber?”

[cmatthes]

Okay…maybe I just have a really good eye after staring at these damned things since I was a kid, but does anything about this picture in the article/screengrab below seem funny to anybody else here?

 

 

Yes indeed.

 

Thats not a real Gibson headstock - that’s clearly a Chibson!  I guess I found it ridiculously lame on UG’s part that they can’t tell the difference in the photo for an article about litigation over Gibson copies.  (And no, I don’t think they’re that clever) 😂

[BTMN]

29 minutes ago, RobB said:

“Gibber?”

Just my nickname for Gibson. 😈

Edited July 10, 2024 by BTMN

[Cary]

1 hour ago, cmatthes said:

Okay…maybe I just have a really good eye after staring at these damned things since I was a kid, but does anything about this picture in the article/screengrab below seem funny to anybody else here?

 

 

Yes indeed.

 

 

 

Thats not a real Gibson headstock - that’s clearly a Chibson!  😂

Not so!  Just ask Brentrocks 😂 

[BoogieMKIIA]

So Dean did a Les Paul Custom?😱
 

1 hour ago, cmatthes said:

Okay…maybe I just have a really good eye after staring at these damned things since I was a kid, but does anything about this picture in the article/screengrab below seem funny to anybody else here?

 

 

Yes indeed.

 

 

 

Thats not a real Gibson headstock - that’s clearly a Chibson!  😂

 

[Biz Prof]

I realize there are good Lesters to be found and all, but I personally don't give two shits about ever owning another Gibson guitar.  If it takes $8k+ to guarantee a stellar reissue from GCS, why not just get a custom build from someone like Mike?

[RobB]

15 hours ago, Biz Prof said:

If it takes $8k+ to guarantee a stellar reissue from GCS, why not just get a custom build from someone like Mike?

Because he doesn’t make Les Pauls

Edited July 10, 2024 by RobB

[sapulpaguitaracademy]

If you have the time, this is a fascinating listen.

 

[cmatthes]

5 hours ago, sapulpaguitaracademy said:

If you have the time, this is a fascinating listen.

 

Thanks for posting that link!  That was actually really interesting.  Dean/Armadillo's counsel was far better prepared and coherent, despite not having argued the matter at the prior level.  

The Gibson attorney came across as a douche, in my opinion, couldn't answer a direct question coherently, and referred to "Lenny Kravitz playing 'Go Your Own Way' with a Gibson Flying V".  I don't think anybody has ever seen nor heard Lenny covering that Fleetwood Mac tune.

Also, what's a "Flying Explorer"?

 

The judges seemed unconvinced.

[DarkHammer]

I am all for intellectual rights, but there should be a time limit on the design monopoly. Flying V was introduced in 1958. After 60+ years it should be in public domain and other makers should not be punished for borrowing elements of it. 

On the other hand, when was last time Gibson came up with something new and worthy? I recall they tried new models in 1970s and 1980s and have not done anything innovative since. They keep milking designs from 1950s, while other companied innovate. Gibson needs to wake up and offer new ideas instead of chasing others in courts.   

[Devnor]

On 7/9/2024 at 8:59 PM, Biz Prof said:

If it takes $8k+ to guarantee a stellar reissue from GCS

$5k gets you a nice Flying V from Gibson but, I digress. This lawsuit is really about imports.  Hardly anyone buys new Time Capsule guitars and if you do, get ready for the resale hit. 

[RobB]

20 minutes ago, Devnor said:

$5k gets you a nice Flying V from Gibson but, I digress. This lawsuit is really about imports.  Hardly anyone buys new Time Capsule guitars and if you do, get ready for the resale hit. 

The initial run of Time Capsule Vs, Zs and MLs sold out, so somebody is buying them. 

[cynic]

20 minutes ago, Devnor said:

$5k gets you a nice Flying V from Gibson but, I digress. This lawsuit is really about imports.  Hardly anyone buys new Time Capsule guitars and if you do, get ready for the resale hit. 

Is it?  My impression is it's about the general shapes of things and there are LOTS of US companies that have made LOTS of similarly shaped guitars, both of US and foreign origin.

[BTMN]

Resale has gotten better on USA  Deans.

[The Shark]

On 7/10/2024 at 7:32 PM, cmatthes said:

Thanks for posting that link!  That was actually really interesting.  Dean/Armadillo's counsel was far better prepared and coherent, despite not having argued the matter at the prior level.  

The Gibson attorney came across as a douche, in my opinion, couldn't answer a direct question coherently, and referred to "Lenny Kravitz playing 'Go Your Own Way' with a Gibson Flying V".  I don't think anybody has ever seen nor heard Lenny covering that Fleetwood Mac tune.

Also, what's a "Flying Explorer"?

 

The judges seemed unconvinced.

Nobody better to critique the legal prowess of the counsel involved.  

[scottcald]

On 7/9/2024 at 9:59 PM, Biz Prof said:

I realize there are good Lesters to be found and all, but I personally don't give two shits about ever owning another Gibson guitar.  If it takes $8k+ to guarantee a stellar reissue from GCS, why not just get a custom build from someone like Mike?

It doesn't even guarantee it.  Phil McKnight bought a Murphy (I think from MooreGuitars) and there were a couple things wrong with it and he sent it back.

I'm with you though, my two Gibsons were enough, and they're long gone.   In my opinion, the new leadership really only significantly improved the marketing.