BTMN Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/39126872 Should be interesting to see.
Imiss85 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 About time too. Will be intersting, I'd love to see Dave and Sam try to share a stage. Doubt it will happen that way, but definately will be interesting.
kizanski Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 R.E.M.??That just watered down the whole exclusivity of the whole thing. Who's next? Flock of Seagulls?Gimme a f**kin' break.
atquinn Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 R.E.M.??That just watered down the whole exclusivity of the whole thing. Who's next? Flock of Seagulls?Gimme a f**kin' break.You're whining about REM getting in but you have nothing to say about Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five?!? I think the whole idea of a RnR hall of fame is kind of silly so I don't really pay attention to any of it (unless I wander past a thread like this), but perhaps it's time they changed their name to the Modern Music Hall of fame? Of course then they'd have to go back and induct all sorts of people they missed the first time around...-Austin
Willie G. Moseley Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 The controversy over inductees happens every year, and it's always interesting to monitor. I stand by my annual opinion that the annual exclusion of the Ventures and Grand Funk Railroad is heresy. One doesn't have to necessarily be a fan of inductees, but if their accomplishments---particularly popularity/sales---are ignored in favor of so-called "historic artistic influence" considerations by the elitists that select the inductees, the validity of such an establishment is severely diluted. I'll probably post this same text, word for word, next year around this time.
Rocktuna Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 I wasted $15.00 and went to the R$R hall of shame a couple years ago, was there less than an hour. Should have gone to the science center next door. Went to the Hard Rock for dinner that night and sat by the Kiss memorabilia and saw more interesting stuff and got a burger.
Steve Haynie Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Ed's ear designed the R&R HOF building.Ed's ear created Chuck Norris, too.
kizanski Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 You're whining about REM getting in but you have nothing to say about Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five?!? I think the whole idea of a RnR hall of fame so I don't really pay attention to any of it (unless I wander past a thread like this), but perhaps it's time they changed their name to the Modern Music Hall of fame? Of course then they'd have to go back and induct all sorts of people they missed the first time around...-AustinI don't whine Austin, although I have been known to stew and brood.Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five have lent "historic artistic influence," as Willie put it, to the music that we hear around us every day (regardless of if you view that as a good or a bad thing), being one of the first Rap/Hip Hip acts to gain popularity. Without them there is no Run-DMC, and therefore no Beastie Boys, and so on. Again: this is either something that you love or dread, but the historical significance is obvious.R.E.M. and Michael Stipe (speaking of WHINING!!) have not made this kind of mark.
marcnorth Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 R&R HOF is a joke. They let the crap bands in and leave the good ones out.
princeofdarkness56 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 The Hall of Shame is almost as irrelevant as MTV or the Grammy's. Plus one on Grand Funk. I reaaly find it astounding that Alice Cooper has not been inducted either.
serial Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Sorry sport (Kiz), you're wrong. While you were wearing your spandex and getting your hairspray on, REM was the biggest and most influential college radio band out there. They defined (along with the dBs, Pylon, Let's Active, etc) the whole second generation of "southern rock". Peter Buck is likely solely responsible for Rickenbacker not going out of business in the mid-80s.Admittedly, Stipe and Co. entered their Eric Clapton stage in 1990 or so, but they were a great band before that and were a tremendous influence on lots of musicians.Now as to R&R HOF misses-where the hell is Kiss or Cheap Trick? No one can tell me that there has been a bigger influential band on rock music since 1970 than Kiss. No way. That band created more musicians than anyone (yes, even GnR and Nirvana combined)-no question.
silentman Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Come on Kiz, these are the guys who gave us 'Shiny Happy People'. I'm not a fan of the band, but they were at the top of the alternative movement in the 80s. IRS records. The stuff they did later (early 90s) is crap. I think there are plenty of bands that deserve to go in before them, as has been stated. They certainly have not been relevent since then.Edited to add: Steve said this much better.
kizanski Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Edited to add: Steve said this much better.He may have said it better, but he's still talking out of his ass. Spandex! RIGHT! I was an acid washed jeans guy!Sporto mentions historical significance in general, but doesn't give any examples.Not only that, but he has NO IDEA how a First Down is measured! Go ahead! ASK HIM!!Look, I'm dangerously close to 6000 posts, and I'm not about to waste the "historical significance" on the likes of this subject - LOL! Others above have mentioned how lame the RnRH0F is, and I'd have to agree. My point is that it has further moved toward mega-lameness with the inclusion of R.E.M.
serial Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Deflection much, sport? As far as measuring first downs, I think I was explaining it to YOU. I will agree with you that the whole back chain thing is a bit inexact and the whole thing does have an element of showiness to it. I did give examples. Check the parentheticals. I stand corrected on the acid-washed jeans/spandex thing. Having never owned either, I see their place in the fashion HOF as being visited slightly less than the Member's Only jacket.
hudpucker Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 REM were the indie/college radio kings of the 80's.Though we've failed to mention scores of more deserving artists (the RRHOF is a POS, IMO) better REM than...ugh...Grand Funk. Now just what would be their ticket in?
Steve Haynie Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 The "lameness" was built in from day one, but it should be more accurately labeled "out-of-dateness." If you look at the list of primary donors to the R&R HOF it includes Jann Wenner (publisher of Rolling Stone Magazine), some big name producers, and half of the Rolling Stones. A Rolling Stone editor has run the museum for years, so there is a heavy influence there. It is a baby boomer view of rock music, so it was started with some knowledge of the early years, but clueless after the point where baby boomers were too old to rock and roll. Think back to the 70's when many of us liked KISS, but the older crowd laughed at them. While the people around thirty were "mellowing out" to the Eagles lighter side they were missing the point. Aerosmith and Ted Nugent were making some really heavy guitar oriented music, but that was for a younger generation than the flower power hippies. Black Sabbath and Judas Priest inspired heavy metal bands to come, but Rolling Stone's contributors were buying Captain and Tennille when those bands were gaining ground. AC/DC and Metallica only got noticed because they sold so many albums and concert tickets. Rolling Stone never actually "got it" with those bands, but they were aware of them because they stood out.If you do not think about the R&R HOF as being anything beyond its limited vision it is a nice place to visit. If you want a place that has recognized greatness everywhere it popped up, forget it. I have my doubts that Nazareth will ever make it into the HOF, but they were the most popular rock group behind the iron curtain in the 70's. Influential? Not really. Enduring? Absolutely. Blue Oyster Cult, Queensryche, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc. are all someone's favorite, but they are irrelevant to people who never listened to them yet get to vote on inductees.I wonder about the people who vote, too. How many of them are industry people with an opportunity to cash in with some renewed sales of artist catalogs or videos?
serial Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 "Ugh" is right. I've always thought of GFR as THE most overrated band of the 70s. Too much of a 60s hangover IMHO.
HamerHokie Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 This is the unavoidable byproduct of having ten inductees per year. Pretty soon you run out of the really deserving and have to induct Van Halen, REM, and Men Without Hats long before they deserve.
mudshark Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Far has RR HOF misses go, looks to me like Link Wray's omission just might be the worst, and NRBQ another very bad oversight.
Jeff R Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 The induction ceremony should be a riot with all the VH in-fighting (DLR versus EVH, EVH versus Hagar, EVH versus Michael Anthony). I think we should put down bets now as to who throws the first blow, verbal or otherwise. If Cherone shows up, my money's on him LOL.
silentman Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Raises a point: Which incarnation of VH goes into the Hall? Kinda like does Clemens use the Yankees, Red Sox, or Astros uniform? In order to qualify for the R&R HOF, you have to release an album 25+ years ago. Sammy and Gary don't qualify by that standard. Sammy's had the longest tenure of all of them. Gary's stint may be he only way in the hall since Extreme will likely never get a pass in. Agreed that the in-fighting could be almost as comical as when the band was paraded ot with DLR on MTV when he 'rejoined'.
peedenmark7 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 You're whining about REM getting in but you have nothing to say about Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five?!? I think the whole idea of a RnR hall of fame so I don't really pay attention to any of it (unless I wander past a thread like this), but perhaps it's time they changed their name to the Modern Music Hall of fame? Of course then they'd have to go back and induct all sorts of people they missed the first time around... -Austin I don't whine Austin, although I have been known to stew and brood. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five have lent "historic artistic influence," as Willie put it, to the music that we hear around us every day (regardless of if you view that as a good or a bad thing), being one of the first Rap/Hip Hip acts to gain popularity. Without them there is no Run-DMC, and therefore no Beastie Boys, and so on. Again: this is either something that you love or dread, but the historical significance is obvious. R.E.M. and Michael Stipe (speaking of WHINING!!) have not made this kind of mark. we could have done without the beastie boys and run dmc just fine though I fully understand/respect the "global" impact rap music has had over the last 25+ years, I guess I dont get the "continued" pontification in degrading women, and glorification of gang violence. this isnt simple '70s punk rock at work here .... and I fully realize there are different forms of rapping. but this is considered art? with few exceptions, "most to me anyway, is nothing more than urban themed bullshitting over copped/covered background music". love 'em or hate 'em even , and as sad/campy as r.e.m. became during/after the "stand" or "shiney happy people" era. I believe they are a very good example of a band that helped to shape/better define "americas" version of new wave , and the earliest of alternative movements, which can definately still be heard today. so, whether or not one likes new wave or the vast sea of alternative music, it would seem r.e.m. is equally then worthy of recognition if thats the simple measuring stick being used.. yearly, there are plenty of great overlooked artists, that are more worthy than either of the aforementioned.
serial Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 I like NRBQ, but I don't think that they deserve to be in the HOF any more than a million other good bands since I don't see them as really being that noteworthy (other than being around forever) in the general musical landscape. Some that I think should get in, but never will include Cheap Trick (who have been listed as the chief inspiration for more musicians of the 90s then anyone else), Ted Nugent (love him or hate him), ELO, the Cars (who really MADE new wave and sold millions of records in the process), Judas Priest, Sabbath/Ozzy and the Cure.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.