tafkathundernotes Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Rumors have been floating around here for a couple days, confirmed today:http://www.wmur.com/entertainment/11253135/detail.htmlToo sad.
jwhitcomb3 Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Oh, dude. That sux.That's so sad.I read on Monday that his fiance was out all night with friends and came home to find him the next morning (they lived together). I couldn't help but wonder if this might have put quite a strain on him. Pure speculation, of course.-Jonathan
Abaco Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 That's terrible. Man, that guys voice has brought me such joy over the years.
Craig Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 What a selfish son-of-a-bitch. How can you do that to your kids?
thecajunboy Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 What a selfish son-of-a-bitch. How can you do that to your kids?I tend to think of suicide differently. None of us have killed ourselves. I think there's a reason for that. Basically we haven't reached a mental state that allows us to think that way and carry out such an action. If and when a person's mental state crosses that line, all rational thought processes are gone. That's how you can do that to your kids. The birth of my son gave me a whole new perspective on some things. Not because I had just become a dad, but because I was experiencing firsthand a whole new type of stress. Before then I had thought that folks that abandoned newborns and abused them were totally wacko fucked in the head. Now I know that they really are, are exist that way for a period of time. My ex-wife suffers with bouts of depression, and in my opinion, tends to drift into mania at times, but the doctor didn't think so. She's a very vain person and the pregnancy helped her put on more weight than she wanted. When we first got home we were both exhausted. A long induced labor session with some anesthisia problems, Austin's refusal or inability to breast feed, and low milk production took a toll on her. Add a new dad that had never seen or done any of this type of stuff and a get up every 2-4 hours and try a breast feeding machine routine, screaming baby, crying mom, and whatever else had to be done, made it real easy for me to understand how easily some people could snap and slam dunk a newborn on teh floor. Lucky for me during that time, I wasn't affected by the high stress to the point where I forgot that I could handle the situation and that it would pass in due time. Every time I hear of a suicide or other irrational acts of violence I always wonder what put those folks over the edge.
Guest Mike Lee Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 What a selfish son-of-a-bitch. How can you do that to your kids?Until you have walked in those shoes you can't have any idea what really drives people to commit suicide. It is the result of untreated mental illness that makes rational thought about the situation impossible. If he was suicidal, it would be nice if his family had noticed it and got him help rather than being out all night with friends. This stuff doesn't just pop up out of nowhere unexpectedly...But ultimately it was his choice and his alone.Edited to add:Good comments Cajun. I've lost two people to suicide, but I don't ever think that what they did to me (indirectly) was worse than what they did to themselves. THAT would be selfish. When you read the note, you understand a little better what they were thinking.
tafkathundernotes Posted March 14, 2007 Author Posted March 14, 2007 What a selfish son-of-a-bitch. How can you do that to your kids? That's my usual reaction to such an event too, but to call Brad selfish is really incorrect. He was one of the most selfless people you'd ever want to meet. He did all kinds of charitable stuff around here and was always a very giving person. Maybe too generous. Still, to leave your children and family wondering if there was something they could have done to prevent it is very selfish; but, you're talking about someone who's reached a mental state that defies logic and emotion. (edit to add: He had been divorced for many years and his kids are of college-age, living in California. It was his fiance' that was out all night.)
jisham Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Apparently he decided it was time to go and made the decision, mentally ill or not. Who are we to judge that?
ZR Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Reread the lyrics to Man I'll Never Be in the other thread. It could be shed some light on how he felt. That song kept running through my head last night while I tried to sleep and it was just bugging me. This bothers me more than if he just had a heart attack. I wonder how his fiance is feeling right now? His family etc. Must be hard not to feel guilty in some way - right or wrong. I always wonder was it some stupid little thing that put him over the edge. Yesterday, I was stressed...work...some personal shit etc. and when I took my daughter to her tennis lesson I was looking for the checkbook to pay the tennis academy and couldn't find it. My wife keeps the checkbook as I never write checks. That lead to anger at her for having such a cluttered desk (she wasn't there so I didn't go OJ on her or anything!). Anyway, then I was looking through the truck thinking I maybe had one in there for just this reason but couldn't find it. Called my wife but couldn't reach her. She's the one person w/ a cel phone that never seems to answer! Then the coach calls and asks where we are because practice already started. My daughter had earlier disagreed with me about the time to go and she told me the wrong time. She was also acting short and rude to me and I told her that's not right and I felt like her chaufeur most of the time and when I ask how her day's going (like a dad not a chaufeur) she doesn't need to be like that. Then when I raised the big center console between the front seats all the contents were emptied into my back seat and floor. So, I did what any sane person would do under these circumstances; I wound up like an Olympic discus athlete and chucked my briefcase into my truck at a high rate of speed!! Yeah, I kinda lost it. I felt bad for my daughter to see that, but we talked about it on the way over and cleared things up. She wa stressed because she just broke up with her boyfriend of half a year (an eternity to a Freshman in HS) and he goes to the same tennis academy. So, she was dreading seeing him there. I felt bad and told her she should have told me so I could understand how she was acting. Oh, well...life's fun!!Oh, and thanks for letting me vent!! Damn, I guess I needed that!
mc2 Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Don't Look Back - live Very sad. I think a lot of the most tortured artists tend to be the most brilliant, albeit self-destructive and pass early on or at least prematurely. I feel for the guy. My own longtime guitarist has been legally dead more than once, yet continues on.
cmatthes Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Definitely a loss. That guy had a great voice, whether or not you cared for the band (I liked them for years, until "Third Stage").His parts were definitely not "Scholzed", and it is still amazing to me that he was as freakin' young as he was when he recorded them.
pesocaster Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Damn..... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17613903/
Craig Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Hey Guys - I'm entitled to my opinion. I respect the comments Mike and CB made. I lost a good friend in college that came out of left field, and I've always felt suicide was a selfish act. I didn't know Delp's situation, but I have to think if someone reaches out and says "I'm going to kill myself" - the people who love that person will move heaven and earth to get them back on track. I'm not judging the man, just calling his last action selfish. It's simply my opinion, which means it isn't right or wrong, it's just how I feel.
tafkathundernotes Posted March 15, 2007 Author Posted March 15, 2007 It appears this was not a sudden act of desperation, either. He thought this thing out to the last detail - and showed concern for others in the process. Damn.http://www.wmur.com/entertainment/11253135/detail.html
frank_c Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 i've heard of lighting a match to mask a smelly dump but that's just weird.
hamerican gigolo Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 What a selfish son-of-a-bitch. How can you do that to your kids? Every human being has his breaking point. Mr. Delp obviously reached his.
lonote049 Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Having walked at least some small distance in his shoes, I can tell you that he lived through anguish and sadness that are unimaginable to most people and felt that he and everybody else would be better off without him. A person can endure that feeling of helplessness for only so long...
MCChris Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Having walked at least some small distance in his shoes, I can tell you that he lived through anguish and sadness that are unimaginable to most people and felt that he and everybody else would be better off without him. A person can endure that feeling of helplessness for only so long...+1If suicide is unimaginable to you, be damn glad it is.
Crwth145 Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Reread the lyrics to Man I'll Never Be in the other thread. It could be shed some light on how he felt. That song kept running through my head last night while I tried to sleep and it was just bugging me. This bothers me more than if he just had a heart attack. I wonder how his fiance is feeling right now? His family etc. Must be hard not to feel guilty in some way - right or wrong. I always wonder was it some stupid little thing that put him over the edge... I know what you mean. This has been bothering me since not long after making that post and realizing his death may yet be determined suicide. I'd even thought about trying to edit it or remove it completely.Edited to add:Suicide should not be that unimaginable to anyone that has truly lived.
David B Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 My dad killed himself when I was 7 or 8. To this day, I don't know why.
elduave Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 --> QUOTE(David B @ Mar 15 2007, 09:14 PM) ← My dad killed himself when I was 7 or 8. To this day, I don't know why. Wow.
El Kabong Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 More than a feeling...I closed my eyes and I slipped away. Damn.
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