Polically active bands...whatcha think?

[Guest galejt]

I am of the firm belief that nothing new has been said politically since MC5.

"Kick out the jams you soft bellied woodsapper!"

Oh yeah MC5....Kick out the Jams Mother f############. Now there was a band who was definately taken down by the man for their politics or more accurately association with political groups.....but there have been others since that have pushed their political points mostly English Punk Bands....Stiff Little Fingers, Sham 69, Sex Pistols, etc.

well yeah, but...nothing new.

"Kick out the Jams Mother f############" kinda says it all.

Of course, I am further of the opinion that mussels picked in vinegar with a nice dry fino is a good thing, especially mid-afternoon, the Spanish heat rising off the cobbles fluttering the school girls skirts, the way it does...

[MCChris]

expressing dissent is what got us here as a country, the love it or leave sentiment is tre' unAmerican in my view , love it, talk about it vote on it

True, but when do you get to the point where you realize that you can't (nor perhaps should you) change America into something it's not? How long do you remain in a lousy marriage before you decide that life is too short to be miserable and perhaps it's best to move on?

If a place like, say, Canada provides the cultural atmosphere you prefer and you're not getting it in the U.S., why not move there? Could it be that you're not willing to give up the relatively higher comfort level of being an American?

Not flamin', just askin'.

Edited to add: this should really be on the OC. Devereaux? Care to do something worthwhile for a change?

[thecajunboy]

Bill,

I'm not so sure I can agree fully with what you've said. True, that dissent got us here, but note that the dissent was with the early settler's countries, so they came here. In that same thought pattern, those that really hate America should leave and find a better place.

[hardheartedbill]

we don't share the same view of America and I wonder where you guys get this (and you wonder about me) but the whole enchilada is based on speaking your unpopular view w/o fear of retribution or being asked to leave

[BCR Greg]

I just want to JAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

[hardheartedbill]

expressing dissent is what got us here as a country, the love it or leave sentiment is tre' unAmerican in my view , love it, talk about it vote on it

True, but when do you get to the point where you realize that you can't (nor perhaps should you) change America into something it's not? How long do you remain in a lousy marriage before you decide that life is too short to be miserable and perhaps it's best to move on?

If a place like, say, Canada provides the cultural atmosphere you prefer and you're not getting it in the U.S., why not move there? Could it be that you're not willing to give up the relatively higher comfort level of being an American?

Not flamin', just askin'.

Edited to add: this should really be on the OC. Devereaux? Care to do something worthwhile for a change?

Chris it's funny that your post implies that "I"( meaning liberals ) should move and I wonder why. I am a natural born citizen w/ all the rights afforded to me by our constitution , including the right to try and change our country (all those crazy amendments) should I take Jaye w/ me?

[MCChris]

we don't share the same view of America and I wonder where you guys get this (and you wonder about me) but the whole enchilada is based on speaking your unpopular view w/o fear of retribution or being asked to leave

Retribution is one thing, but being asked to leave (or, more accurately, having someone suggest to you that maybe you'd be happier somewhere else) ... wouldn't that fall under free speech? And I trust you know that when I say "you," I don't mean you specifically, Bill.

[MCChris]

I am a natural born citizen w/ all the rights afforded to me by our constitution , including the right to try and change our country (all those crazy amendments) should I take Jaye w/ me?

Come on now. Let's not exploit other board members for the sake of making a point.

[hardheartedbill]

sure it's free speech, just an ugly sentiment that doesnt help our country IMO

[Rockola]

2) Rock is supposed to be about rebellion. I think that can encompass the political realm as well.

Right.

I like knucklehead stuff as much as the next guy. Certainly some silly pop and deciphering jazz but certainly some political songs are worthy of working on both levels.

CCR's Fortunate Son, for one. A group like Midnight Oil (who could hit as hard as anyone) brought an Aussie perspective of being bystanders in a nuclear buildup. They wrote powerful tunes that could make you think and move your ass. The Meters~Under The Weather and The Police's ~ Driven To Tears are as relevant today as when the were released.

For some, there is nothing wrong with being stimilated to think or reminded to show some tolerance or compassion if you like the way a song swings.

Next Question. Why is this not in the OC? And finally, why do people buy a 4X4 and never take it off road?

[hardheartedbill]

I am a natural born citizen w/ all the rights afforded to me by our constitution , including the right to try and change our country (all those crazy amendments) should I take Jaye w/ me?

Come on now. Let's not exploit other board members for the sake of making a point.

that's true, my apologies to Jaye

[MCChris]

sure it's free speech, just an ugly sentiment that doesnt help our country IMO

There's a lot of that going around under the guise of dissent.

[BCR Greg]

Love is everywhere.

(Beat ya, Butch!)

[hardheartedbill]

sure it's free speech, just an ugly sentiment that doesnt help our country IMO

There's a lot of that going around under the guise of dissent.

a fine line for sure, I suppose that's why all speech is protected, to hard to seperate , oh let's say porno and art ( I'm firmly on the side of porn LOL )

[MCChris]

Love is everywhere.

(Beat ya, Butch!)

We jus' shootin' da shit, dassall.

Bill knows I don't want him to leave. I ain't payin' international shipping to dump all my rusty old pedals!

[BCR Greg]

Porn IS art, when done correctly.

Now, let's have a group hug and then go beat up on Poe.

[thecajunboy]

Bill,

Yeah, we've probably got differing views, and I have no doubt that you and others like you truly love America, and you guys speak up in an effort to make things the way you think they should be, for a better America. I've just got a problem with turdlickers like Greenday, who likely don't know jackshit about what's really going on put controversial material out there just to sell records.

[hardheartedbill]

CB, you'll note my original music is sans lyrics, theres a reason LOL. I do appreciate your comments, honestly, I think most people are coming from an honest heartfelt place and we have let people who make money off this crap whip it up to a dangerous level

[thecajunboy]

you'll note my original music is sans lyrics, theres a reason LOL.

lemme guess

A you're a lousy singer

B you're a good singer, but you're guitar playing is even better

C As a young kid you ate some deep fried white spotted owl and got a neckbone lodged in your throat and severed a vocal cord, permanently rendering you as a terrible singer.

I'm going with B.

[David B]

If the music & melody are good, I'll listen to it & enjoy it. I don't really wanna hear someone preach though. It just makes them seem like they want to be more than rock stars.

[Brownsound]

Players of music are no less qualified than any other citizen to say what they want about current conditions. 

Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with that. This current trend of claiming that all opinions have equal validity, or “it’s my opinion, and it’s just as important as yours”, is crap. Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day is a high school drop-out. What you are saying is that he is just as qualified to comment on current events as someone who has a BA in Political Science, or a Masters in International Relations. Does education automatically make the more educated person’s opinions right? Not hardly. But in many cases they do have a more informed background from which to reach their conclusions. All opinions DO NOT have equal validity, and some are just completely wrong.

It’s a shame when an otherwise talented band decides to use their music and celebrity as a platform to push an agenda I disagree with. I generally don’t buy albums or go to movies when I know that my money is going to contribute to causes I disagree with. To me, it’s like writing a check to the enemy.

here here!!!

[copper blue]

no wonder you guys love teh meedly mee....

[Steve Haynie]

you'll note my original music is sans lyrics, theres a reason LOL.

lemme guess

A you're a lousy singer

B you're a good singer, but you're guitar playing is even better

C As a young kid you ate some deep fried white spotted owl and got a neckbone lodged in your throat and severed a vocal cord, permanently rendering you as a terrible singer.

I'm going with B.

I've heard Bill sing. He should do more singing, but he won't.

[Brownsound]

we don't share the same view of America and I wonder where you guys get this (and you wonder about me) but the whole enchilada is based on speaking your unpopular view w/o fear of retribution or being asked to leave

Retribution is one thing, but being asked to leave (or, more accurately, having someone suggest to you that maybe you'd be happier somewhere else) ... wouldn't that fall under free speech? And I trust you know that when I say "you," I don't mean you specifically, Bill.

Not to start a flame here but...

What about the muslim students at Berkley that were jumping up and down and cheering and clapping when the planes were crashing into the Trade Center towers? Does that fall under the same category as voiceing criticism for the country that you call your home?

I mean sure, free speech is guaranteed but you still cant yell fire in movie theater or say bomb when standing in line at airport security without getting a little attention and arrested for that matter.

There is a line im sure but where is it?

[jisham]

(all those crazy amendments) should I take Jaye w/ me?

If it's Hawaii, book my flight!

I find it interesting that in the sixties, music was a political force "for the better" if I read history correctly. But now, it's not supposed to be political? Clearly, those here that disagree with it vote with their pocketbooks and avoid buying the CD, going to the concert, or seeing certain movies. But to sit around and denigrate artists who do choose to political just seems corny to me.

Jeez...I saw Ted Nugent a couple of years ago on the KISS tour and sat through an entire tirade against gays and some of the most ill-informed information on AIDS I've ever heard. But that doesn't mean I can't respect his guitar playing abilities and just roll my eyes at his schtick.