Is This Guy A Little Too Full Of Himself?

[cynic]

What makes you think that DT fans are "average Joe radio listeners"? Fans of that type of music are not radio listeners in any sense of the word.

You're saying DT has never had radio play.......none............ever?

I think at best you can say your experiences have been different than mine, but I think to dismiss DTs capability to reach that demographic is a little short sighted.

Perhaps rather than radio listener I should have said someone who's not fanatical/maniacal about music? In my mind they're pretty much the same but you apparently need very clear and distinct lines and I crossed one........my apologies.

[edgar_allan_poe]

You're saying DT has never had radio play.......none............ever?

I think at best you can say your experiences have been different than mine, but I think to dismiss DTs capability to reach that demographic is a little short sighted.

Perhaps rather than radio listener I should have said someone who's not fanatical/maniacal about music? In my mind they're pretty much the same but you apparently need very clear and distinct lines and I crossed one........my apologies. rolleyes.gif

Not sure where you live but I have only heard one song from DT on the radio and that was Pull Me Under. Maybe they get airplay by you, but I would bet that the vast majority of DT fans don't look to hear them on the radio.

Get your panties out of the bunch...

[MCChris]

You're saying DT has never had radio play.......none............ever?

No, but a brief bump from "Pull Me Under" didn't make them a successful singles band.

I think to dismiss DTs capability to reach that demographic is a little short sighted.

The proof is in the record sales and/or ticket sales. DT ain't headlining the same venues that Maiden or Rush are.

someone who's not fanatical/maniacal about music......

...... will have zero interest in Dream Theater.

[BlueRedWhite]

Of course, we all know Dream Theater doesn't really have any casual fans who aren't musically inclined (nor any fans with vaginas) so this discussion doesn't really pertain to them.

ehem....McChris: i just checked..everything is in order...down there and up here...

i'll spare you the pic

[zorrow]

Of course, we all know Dream Theater doesn't really have any casual fans who aren't musically inclined (nor any fans with vaginas) so this discussion doesn't really pertain to them.

ehem....McChris: i just checked..everything is in order...down there and up here...

i'll spare you the pic

But... why sparing us the pic? We even have the Outer Circle for that kind of stuff!

[cynic]

You're saying DT has never had radio play.......none............ever?

No, but a brief bump from "Pull Me Under" didn't make them a successful singles band.

I think to dismiss DTs capability to reach that demographic is a little short sighted.

The proof is in the record sales and/or ticket sales. DT ain't headlining the same venues that Maiden or Rush are.

someone who's not fanatical/maniacal about music......

...... will have zero interest in Dream Theater.

I give up....you're both right.....and how can I argue when everything you say is not simply your opinion, but fact?

Get back to work.

[BlueRedWhite]

Of course, we all know Dream Theater doesn't really have any casual fans who aren't musically inclined (nor any fans with vaginas) so this discussion doesn't really pertain to them.

ehem....McChris: i just checked..everything is in order...down there and up here...

i'll spare you the pic

But... why sparing us the pic? We even have the Outer Circle for that kind of stuff!

[edgar_allan_poe]

I give up....you're both right.....and how can I argue when everything you say is not simply your opinion, but fact?

Get back to work.

I guess everyone's ideas are opinions and yours are fact? LOL!!

[ZR]

Yeah, my wife and daughter's like DT...OK probably not in the same way I do, but they really liked A Change of Seasons and Scenes from a Memory a lot. In their case I'd say I'm not sure they'd notice a drummer change but they aren't your typical DT fan.

DT will get some awesome drummer and they'll continue on. I haven't been as much of a fanboy of theirs since Awake and Images and Words (even Falling into Infinity -my 1st CD of theirs- and Scenes)...they seem somewhat boring to me now. I just couldn't get into their latest stuff. Nevertheless I still have the utmost respect for all of them - great musicians all.

IMHO, (in a drummers sense Not team leader etc.) Dt losing Mike is not the same as Rush losing Peart. I can picture other drummers playing DT music but can't picture Rush w/o Peart.

[edgar_allan_poe]

IMHO, (in a drummers sense Not team leader etc.) Dt losing Mike is not the same as Rush losing Peart. I can picture other drummers playing DT music but can't picture Rush w/o Peart.

Agreed...not the same, but similar none the less.

[MCChris]

Yeah, my wife and daughter's like DT...OK probably not in the same way I do, but they really liked A Change of Seasons and Scenes from a Memory a lot. In their case I'd say I'm not sure they'd notice a drummer change but they aren't your typical DT fan.

DT will get some awesome drummer and they'll continue on. I haven't been as much of a fanboy of theirs since Awake and Images and Words (even Falling into Infinity -my 1st CD of theirs- and Scenes)...they seem somewhat boring to me now. I just couldn't get into their latest stuff. Nevertheless I still have the utmost respect for all of them - great musicians all.

IMHO, (in a drummers sense Not team leader etc.) Dt losing Mike is not the same as Rush losing Peart. I can picture other drummers playing DT music but can't picture Rush w/o Peart.

I'll compare it to Slayer losing Lombardo. Bostaph was a great player, but something was missing in the chemistry, and a lot of Slayer fans picked up on it. Casual fans? Again, not enough to make a determination.

Portnoy is a damn good drummer, certainly on Lombardo's level but with a different style, so I think it's a good comparison.

[kurtsstuff]

Without an excellent drummer, average joe radio listener will never hear your band, because your band will be shit.

If your drummer sucks, your band sucks. Period. No exceptions.

THIS 10000000000000%

[elduave]

IMHO, (in a drummers sense Not team leader etc.) Dt losing Mike is not the same as Rush losing Peart. I can picture other drummers playing DT music but can't picture Rush w/o Peart.

Agreed...not the same, but similar none the less.

Gotta go with ZR on this. Chris's Slayer analogy is graspable, but to me there's Peart/Rush...

...then there's all the other drummer/band combination's out there.

Like I said in the OP, he seems like a nice enough guy (anyone who plays for fun with Paul Gilbert, waxes nicely on the Rush doc, and is friends with Eddie Trunk is OK w/me) but that statement! Yeesh!

[MCChris]

Gotta go with ZR on this. Chris's Slayer analogy is graspable, but to me there's Peart/Rush...then there's all the other drummer/band combination's out there.

What about the Copeland analogy? And of course there's Zep/Bonzo.

More obscure, but while the quality of Motorhead's drumming certainly improved when Mikkey Dee came on board, Philthy Phil's trashy style was a huge part of their early sound. They became a different band when they replaced him.

[earachemyeye]

By deduction we should be able to establish what it is that these other bands have that DT is missing for Mike.

1- Easy grooves to play (for him)

2- More radio play

3- Easy to please fans

4- Youth

5- The opposite sex

6- Silly stage names

Sounds like a "fun" move for sure but I think in the long run not the best move. I can't think of another "drummer for hire" who has left his point of reference where it amounted to anything greater than before. Even his name doesn't fit with avenge sevenfolds schtick. Maybe we can help him out with that. How about M. Portholetohell? No offense to anyone intended. My apologies to anyone who has been angered by my comments or actions. Except that lady in the McDonalds drive thru line this last week. YOU madam are an insane raging bitch.

Joe

[svl]

I can't think of another "drummer for hire" who has left his point of reference where it amounted to anything greater than before.

Joe

Carmine Appice.

[HAMERMAN]

I do think he just got bored and was always looking for something more to do, maybe he found some new energy with A7X. I'm guessing he had some fun with their stuff and wants to tour with them. I wouldn't be surprised if he returns to DT though when he gets bored with them and realizes they aren't half the musicians the DT guys are.

By deduction we should be able to establish what it is that these other bands have that DT is missing for Mike.

1- Easy grooves to play (for him)

2- More radio play

3- Easy to please fans

4- Youth

5- The opposite sex

6- Silly stage names

Sounds like a "fun" move for sure but I think in the long run not the best move. I can't think of another "drummer for hire" who has left his point of reference where it amounted to anything greater than before. Even his name doesn't fit with avenge sevenfolds schtick.

Have you guys ever heard Avenged Sevenfold? While they are definitely not on as high a plateau as Dream Theater they are a far cry from being another Nickelback, especially with respect to drumming.

[edgar_allan_poe]

Gotta go with ZR on this. Chris's Slayer analogy is graspable, but to me there's Peart/Rush...

...then there's all the other drummer/band combination's out there.

Yes...and I agree. But you aren't looking at this from a DT fan's perspective. To DT fans this guy is every bit as important. I was stunned at the ovation that Portnoy received at G3. When he came on stage the place went nuts. Granted that was a major music geek concert...but that is who constitutes the vast majority of DTs fans.

I would actually argue that this is closer to a Peart situation than the guy from Slayer.

[cmatthes]

Except that lady in the McDonalds drive thru line this last week. YOU madam are an insane raging bitch.

[earachemyeye]

Carmine Appice is one who has made a name for himself. Although he has never really had a "home" to speak of (can't think of one right now). By that I mean a group that his identity is an integral to like Neil Peart and Rush or Portnoy and Dream Theater. It will be pretty tough for Portnoy to better his years in Dream Theater. Especially if someone comes in and does his job with equal skill. Added: Restatements are due to slow typing skills.

Joe

[MCChris]

I would actually argue that this is closer to a Peart situation than the guy from Slayer.

And your argument would be wrong LOL!

It was a huge deal when Lombardo left Slayer.

Peart's on a whole other level, given his role in the songwriting and the band's longevity.

[svl]

Carmine Appice is one who has made a name for himself. Although he has never really had a "home" to speak of (can't think of one right now). By that I mean a group that his identity is an integral to like Neil Peart and Rush or Portnoy and Dream Theater. It will be pretty tough for Portnoy to better his years in Dream Theater. Especially if someone comes in and does his job with equal skill.

Joe

Appice definitely had a home- he was one of the founders of Vanilla Fudge (five albums from '67 to '70). It was his first gig.

[edgar_allan_poe]

And your argument would be wrong LOL!

Yeah but yours is an opinion and mine is fact. ROTFLMAO!!!

[elduave]

Gotta go with ZR on this. Chris's Slayer analogy is graspable, but to me there's Peart/Rush...then there's all the other drummer/band combination's out there.

What about the Copeland analogy? And of course there's Zep/Bonzo.

More obscure, but while the quality of Motorhead's drumming certainly improved when Mikkey Dee came on board, Philthy Phil's trashy style was a huge part of their early sound. They became a different band when they replaced him.

Yeah, noted, for sure. Zep has done shows without Bonzo and you could make an argument that they would have been successful/viable had they chose to continue, but Police without Copeland definitely leans more towards the Peart without Rush thing than the DT without Portnoy thing.

There must be a trio X factor.

But you aren't looking at this from a DT fan's perspective.

You got that right!

It's getting real good on Eddie Trunk's Facebook page about all this.

[earachemyeye]

Ok, I remember Vanilla Fudge. But to equate Vanilla Fudge with Dream Theater in respect to the association that the musicians have to the music that they have done is not apples to apples. Portnoy had spent many more years and albums with DT than Appice with Fudge and he sang and wrote lyrics to many of their songs. Did Appice do that? I'm under the impression that he was more of a drummer than anything else. When I think of Carmine Appice I'm more inclined to think of the other work he did with people like Jeff Beck ect. If I recall correctly, that is where he really made a name for himself. I could be wrong, I smoked alot of weed back then.

Joe