dragan Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 I like amp distortion if there is enough in there for me to play with, then back it off with the vol control on the guitar. That's the ultimate for me. My favourite amp distortion was a rickety old shagged-out Seymour Duncan 84-40.., that thing was mega but hella unreliable.great sounding amp , famous for catching fire !
murkat Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 Depends on what you want. There are many types of distortions, or what is bundled together as distortion(s). Grind, gain, distortion, fuzz, etc. I like many familiar types of mentioned above. A fender toob amp can handle many pedal types in front of it, so, the task is easy for. A Marshall with a tube screamer is bread butter combo right there. since I like many favors, I use a combination of my two channel Uberschall and key pedals to yield many favorite flavors of, and combining the pedals also conjur even more sonic capabilities, except for the rockman (the right) amp and pedal combo in this old man's ways I guess
shredmeister Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 I have a SigX which as you probably know is very versitile. I also bring my pedal board along for delay etc.. and have 3 pedals for distortion as well.Usually I just use my amp cause that thing can do just about anything.The pedal set up however gives me all kinds of flavors for distortion / gain. I have and SRB808 by effects pedal boutique that is double sided - like 2 gain boxes on one pedal. One of the most killer sounding boxes I have ever heard.Then I have a Wampler Pinnacle Deluxe with its regular gain stage and then boost that can be set to vintage or modern. Then I push either one of them or increase volume of the amp with one of those little single know boosts that everybody uses - can't remember the name off hand but it adds volume and grit. The little black one with one knob.I really don't need all of these options. I use my pedal board mostly for unfamiliar back lines. But when we gig out I bring it with my Siggy.You can get some good sounds with many combinations but the most organic and best sounding is pure amp by far.
sixesandsevens Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 The SigX is on my want list... I've got a Deliverance 60 right now and any time I think it's "not enough", I just goose the volume a little to remind me of how it can roar.Murkat raises a great point... There are lots of other distortion sounds that I can't reach with my rig (esp. fuzz tones), but they're sounds that I seldom go after for original music, so it's not been a big deal for me.
tmsfo Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 Both. Dr. Z Maz 18 with a Brake Lite attenuator (amp is "crunchy" with guitar volume on 10) and then a selection of stompboxes out front to suit the need.
Crimsontider Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 As I've gotten older that more that I am satisfied with a good overdrive sound over a metal box. I do know that Roy Clark never used one of those fancy FX box's!
mudshark Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 All I can say is that a Deluxe cranked to the max (mine goes to 12!!!) is overdrive Nirvana.
Crimsontider Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Isn't it true that Angus Young barely used anything other than a little volume gain from his amp. A little overdrive sound, no effects at all, and a dam good guitar and cranked up amp?
Biz Prof Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Isn't it true that Angus Young barely used anything other than a little volume gain from his amp. A little overdrive sound, no effects at all, and a dam good guitar and cranked up amp?Yes, but then there are a variety of Angus tones across the AC-DC anthology. His early tone, to me, was a little too boxy and thin sounding (TNT). The Mutt Lange albums have a decidedly richer, thicker, honkier JMP tone. The later 80s and 90s albums sounded more like a straight, cranked plexi....thinner and cleaner than a JMP, but powerful. Point is, you're right. He relied on the amp for the dirt.
Biz Prof Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Lately, it would be this, so....I guess that would be a tally mark for FX. Sorry...see below.
Biz Prof Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Lately, I have been using this into a '75 MusicMan HD 130, so....I guess that would be a tally mark for FX.
Crimsontider Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Isn't it true that Angus Young barely used anything other than a little volume gain from his amp. A little overdrive sound, no effects at all, and a dam good guitar and cranked up amp?.......... Point is, you're right. He relied on the amp for the dirt.And what a tone it was. I got caught up in the medal pedal wars in the day.I have been using computer amp sims, and they can replicate most FX pedals well, just not the overdrive of a cranked amp, not even close. I now use the overdrive of a real amp and the effects of the computer to get a good sound you can easily record.
Biz Prof Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Isn't it true that Angus Young barely used anything other than a little volume gain from his amp. A little overdrive sound, no effects at all, and a dam good guitar and cranked up amp?.......... Point is, you're right. He relied on the amp for the dirt. And what a tone it was. I got caught up in the medal pedal wars in the day.I have been using computer amp sims, and they can replicate most FX pedals well, just not the overdrive of a cranked amp, not even close. I now use the overdrive of a real amp and the effects of the computer to get a good sound you can easily record.Yep. If any of the uninitiated wish to hear the full potential of a cranked four-holer or a nice JMP should listen to "Back in Black" followed by Def Leppard's "High 'n Dry". Mutt produced both albums and one can easily hear his penchant for the JMP tone during that era. I lust for that medium-gain, honky, boingy sound. Righteous....and it really only comes from a cranked EL 34 power section with a goosed preamp.
mudshark Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Cranked up blackface Fender Bassman ain't bad:
Crimsontider Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Isn't it true that Angus Young barely used anything other than a little volume gain from his amp. A little overdrive sound, no effects at all, and a dam good guitar and cranked up amp?.......... Point is, you're right. He relied on the amp for the dirt. And what a tone it was. I got caught up in the medal pedal wars in the day.I have been using computer amp sims, and they can replicate most FX pedals well, just not the overdrive of a cranked amp, not even close. I now use the overdrive of a real amp and the effects of the computer to get a good sound you can easily record.Yep. If any of the uninitiated wish to hear the full potential of a cranked four-holer or a nice JMP should listen to "Back in Black" followed by Def Leppard's "High 'n Dry". Mutt produced both albums and one can easily hear his penchant for the JMP tone during that era. I lust for that medium-gain, honky, boingy sound. Righteous....and it really only comes from a cranked EL 34 power section with a goosed preamp.Both of those rock as hard as any metal and you can hear guitar nuances. Steve Clark always had a great overdrive sound, his style required some delay or verb to highlight his aura......man I miss that guy. Mutt is easily the most respected producer in my lifetime. He had a formula that was 10 years ahead. I think he padlocked a studio and the template after completing Hysteria, and then opened it back up for Shania Twain. The answer to the question on Mutt's influence with her sound and songwriting has been answered with her silence the past 7 years.But yes, in retrospect some of the best metal was cranked up Marshall's. I believe Vivian Campbell said that's all he used on Holy Diver in one of his later gear head video's, laughing like he was deprived in those days. Hell, he never sounded better, 30 years later.
Hamer95USA Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 I own and use a Marshall 6101 & Soldano Astroverb 16 combo amps, a Rocktron Vendetta, and an ADA Depot 3TM mod MP-1 preamp. I would have to say amp overdrive is the king tone!! If I have to use a borrowed amp for a jam night or as a backline (e.g. Fender Deluxe or Twin), then I would use an overdrive or distortion pedal preferably either an Xotic AC Booster or an MI Audio Crunch Box. I'd like to try the Suhr Riot one of these days though.Guitar George
gorch Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 There a so many real tones needed to be explored on tube amps for me. I think I need an iPad to explore them all. Just had my BSM range master guarrantee repaired the other day. Top service from BSM! Just want to mention.
tommy p Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Isn't it true that Angus Young barely used anything other than a little volume gain from his amp. A little overdrive sound, no effects at all, and a dam good guitar and cranked up amp?True, but he dimes all the tone pots or either dimes bass and treble and puts the mids on half. Can't remember which.
Biz Prof Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Cranked up blackface Fender Bassman ain't bad: Sounds like Mike's Bassmans are modded. My old Bassman head cannot get that sound, even with a P90-equipped guitar up front and pushing a Marshall 4x12. Nice sound, but not exactly "just add water". Wonder if this mod has been published for DIYers.
gorch Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Isn't it true that Angus Young barely used anything other than a little volume gain from his amp. A little overdrive sound, no effects at all, and a dam good guitar and cranked up amp?True, but he dimes all the tone pots or either dimes bass and treble and puts the mids on half. Can't remember which.There wasn't much to dial in at the time the sound came to popularity. Now he's got no chance to change it for popularity. Why should he?
dragan Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 re: bassman this was the amp all others followed into their legendary status ( old western electric circuit ) , the mod back in the mid 70s was to take the output of channel one ,bass ch ( before it hits the output section 6l6s ) & drive the normal channel with it and add a master volume . you could not turn ch 1 up past 2-3 without uncontrolled oscillation but It really sounded good for over drive & crunch. I used this with a marshall 412 for most of the 70s............ edited to add I dont think I've seen anyone not use a pedal board in recent times , even with an ax fx dwezil zappa had a huge pedal board
MCChris Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Damn, did I miss a Social Distortion Guitar Center Session?
Crimsontider Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 edited to add I dont think I've seen anyone not use a pedal board in recent times , even with an ax fx dwezil zappa had a huge pedal board Just for old time sake, imo, Vivian Campbell going in the wrong direction with too much FX in the early 90's. I would have been impressed back in the day! I love effects as long as you can still hear the guitar personality. David Gilmore is a good example.
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