Floyd Rose expert question

[JustKid]

Hey guys.
I added another Hamer to my collection with Schaller Floyd that has 4 stripped holes on it's baseplate, or should I say I added another stripped Schaller floyd to my collection of stripped floyds. Was just wondering if anyone ever repaired those threaded holes, or should I just start looking for a new base plate?
Seriously, why would someone put so much force to tight this tiny screw? Any input would be appreciated.

Edited April 5, 2024 by JustKid

[kizanski]

@Jeff R

[Jimbilly]

I'm suspicious that some of them on the Hamers aren't that tough of metal to begin with, I recently got a floyded guitar with a real floyd, and while moving a couple of the saddles, those tiny bolts (M2?) were set in REALLY tight, I remember thinking my Hamer Floyds would be in serious danger of being stripped.  I still need to get a 2NM torque key for setting those consistently and safely, I'll put that back on my list. 

 Those new Gotohs look interesting.  https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/bridge-and-tailpieces/tremolos/gotoh-ge-1996t-licensed-floyd-rose-locking-tremolo-bridge-chrome/ 

[JustKid]

6 minutes ago, Jimbilly said:

I'm suspicious that some of them on the Hamers aren't that tough of metal to begin with

It's not just Hamers, it's on all of Schaller...baseplate is made of pot metal and only knife inserts are hardened, although I saw some with hardened inserts for those threaded holes as well.

[Dave Scepter]

1 hour ago, JustKid said:

It's not just Hamers, it's on all of Schaller...baseplate is made of pot metal and only knife inserts are hardened, although I saw some with hardened inserts for those threaded holes as well.

Replace or helical 

E-Z Lok SK40210 Metric Helical Threaded Insert Kit, 304 Stainless Steel, M3-0.5 Thread Size, 3 mm Installed Length (Pack of 10), Black https://a.co/d/2T1uys8

Edited April 5, 2024 by Dave Scepter

[Victor (Fret Friend)]

There was a time you could buy a new baseplate with steel reinforced threads direct from Schaller for around $50 (US): I know = I bought one! You could also repair the holes with a small helicoil kit (I have not done that). For the future, stay clear of tinpot metal baseplates. IME, the Gotoh licensed Floyd is a much better example than even the OFR. Don't get me wrong, the OFR is a great piece of kit (and I have/use them myself) but the Gotoh is a superioir locking trem altogether IMO...

[scottcald]

I’ve gotten a replacement Schaller baseplate without issue.  

[JustKid]

2 hours ago, Dave Scepter said:

E-Z Lok SK40210 Metric Helical Threaded Insert Kit, 304 Stainless Steel, M3-0.5 Thread Size, 3 mm Installed Length (Pack of 10), Black https://a.co/d/2T1uys8

Perfect, gonna try this one. 👍

1 hour ago, scottcald said:

I’ve gotten a replacement Schaller baseplate without issue.  

 

Sent them an email. Will see if they respond.

Thanks

[tbonesullivan]

For one Diablo, I got a replacement tremolo plate, even though the threads were still good. For the second one, I ended up replacing the ENTIRE tremolo, as it turned out that the previous (or several previous) owners had sweated all over it, causing all kinds of issues. In the end it was easier to just replace it.

[Jimbilly]

There's also my solution  if your threads still hold a fair bit: shim with a small piece of copper wire, it's actually intonated at this spot, and has been stable for quite some time.

- To be fair, I currently own 4 with the stock Hamer Floyds, I've owned a couple others, and this is the only stripped one I've personally seen.  

Edited April 5, 2024 by Jimbilly

[bruce919]

drill #38 drill & tap them to #5-40UNC. ya may have to file the notch out in the saddle a bit the the larger #5-40UNC bolt. 

[JustKid]

8 hours ago, Victor (Fret Friend) said:

There was a time you could buy a new baseplate with steel reinforced threads direct from Schaller for around $50 (US)

Damn!!! $130 today's price, + shipping I guess. that is phuken ridiculous

[Dave Scepter]

21 minutes ago, JustKid said:

Damn!!! $130 today's price, + shipping I guess. that is phuken ridiculous

There was a guy on the Facebook group page that had 2 for sale "$50 each" a few months ago... I was going to buy one but completely slipped my mind until this post... not sure if he still has them

[JustKid]

1 hour ago, Dave Scepter said:

There was a guy on the Facebook group page that had 2 for sale "$50 each" a few months ago... I was going to buy one but completely slipped my mind until this post... not sure if he still has them

I got in touch with him at the time. He asked to send him $$ as a gift. I responded that I'll send him funds as a purchase and will cover the fees and even put some on top to make sure he is not at loss. He then said he doesnt know me and I'm some kind of scammer. Totally irrational prick. People like that will have to pay me to buy from them.

[Cboss]

2 hours ago, JustKid said:

Damn!!! $130 today's price, + shipping I guess. that is phuken ridiculous

More than a new 1996T at Philadelphia luthier

[Dave Scepter]

9 hours ago, JustKid said:

Damn!!! $130 today's price, + shipping I guess. that is phuken ridiculous

I got $90... still a lot though

 https://schaller.info/en/lockmeister-6-1-tremolo-base-plate-complete/2028-6

[scottcald]

Isn't this the one?

https://schaller.info/en/schaller-tremolo-6-1-tremolo-base-plate-complete/20280200

It's a few bucks cheaper!

[Dasein]

On 4/5/2024 at 7:08 AM, JustKid said:

Hey guys.
I added another Hamer to my collection with Schaller Floyd that has 4 stripped holes on it's baseplate, or should I say I added another stripped Schaller floyd to my collection of stripped floyds. Was just wondering if anyone ever repaired those threaded holes, or should I just start looking for a new base plate?
Seriously, why would someone put so much force to tight this tiny screw? Any input would be appreciated.

I used helicoils to repair my original Hamer branded base plate - lasted about a year before it was done like dinner. Ordered a new Schaller branded base plate (with hardened steel inserts) and saddle screws and so far so good though I remain somewhat skeptical about the whole thing...

[JustKid]

17 hours ago, scottcald said:

Isn't this the one?

https://schaller.info/en/schaller-tremolo-6-1-tremolo-base-plate-complete/20280200

It's a few bucks cheaper!

For the chrome one Yes, but once you go black, it jumps to 118…and it’s in Euro. Not sure why there’s such a price hike for simple black color

[JustKid]

On 4/6/2024 at 5:25 AM, Dave Scepter said:

I got $90... still a lot though

 https://schaller.info/en/lockmeister-6-1-tremolo-base-plate-complete/2028-6

It’s +45 for black

[Dave Scepter]

1 hour ago, JustKid said:

It’s +45 for black

Well, what are you waiting for? 🤣

[scottcald]

I actually can't find those in black other than on the Schaller site. 

Edited April 8, 2024 by scottcald

[JustKid]

17 hours ago, Dave Scepter said:

Well, what are you waiting for? 🤣

EZ Coil is the answer. Got it yesterday, installed it, even tried to overtighten just to see how it behaves...  it and it holds fine. So threaded inserts it is!
  Thanks guys. 

[Dave Scepter]

57 minutes ago, JustKid said:

EZ Coil is the answer. Got it yesterday, installed it, even tried to overtighten just to see how it behaves...  it and it holds fine. So threaded inserts it is!
  Thanks guys. 

Awesome! 👌

That's what I'm going to do if that ever happens to me~

[diablo175]

I just avoid the whole issue and replace any old Hamer-stamped Schaller locking trems with new ones or better yet, LockMeisters and shortened string screws.

Edited April 9, 2024 by diablo175